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How 'bout some forums for the "new" Colorado ZR2

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GM just showed the Colorado ZR2 to the press.

 

Other than not being offered in a straight-cab version, the new ZR2 stacks up as a pretty good offroader.

 

If I was or order one, it would be the extended cab with the diesel.

 

 

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Hi Hib, the new ZR2s are pretty nice, I'm getting ready to head to Tom Henry, they just got a Crew Cab ZR2 in.

 

Kevin and JW, the new owners of this site are supposed to be working on setting up a section for the new ZR2s! :thumbup:

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Yep, it's coming! I've been working on getting hosts transferred first, which has been... complicated. Hopefully making some headway on that in the next few days, and we can get things updated and start adding new features!

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On 5/17/2017 at 0:24 PM, gregg6668 said:

Hi Hib, the new ZR2s are pretty nice, I'm getting ready to head to Tom Henry, they just got a Crew Cab ZR2 in.

I'm thinking about the extended cab because I'd want the long box. I got a copy of the dealer order guide today. Really, really thinking about ordering one. The only hesitation I have is my Blazer ZR2 is, obviously a heck of a lot shorter and, thus, has a much tighter turning radius. That's come in handy in previous off-road adventures. Compared to the old T-utility platform, the Colorado/Canyon is really looooong.

 

On 5/17/2017 at 0:24 PM, gregg6668 said:

Hi Hib, the new ZR2s aKevin and JW, the new owners of this site are supposed to be working on setting up a section for the new ZR2s! :thumbup:

Great. I'll be looking for it.

Few more things I found out today:

 All Colorados and Canyons got a new V6 gas engine, a truck-version of the 3.6L HFV6.

The gas engine gets the 8-speed 8L45 automatic but the 2.8L diesel gets the 6L50 six-speed automatic. Hard to decide which powertrain has the most low-end grund the gas engine (less low-end torque) with the 8-speed and its lower first gear or the diesel (more low-end torque) with the 6-speed and its higher first gear.

 

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Got ahold of a dealer order guide for the new ZR2. Lots of interesting stuff in it but a couple things stood out:

The diesel is a $3500 dollar option so one would have to drive the truck a long ways to recover the cost of the engine in improved fuel economy.

There is a dual-mode exhaust listed as an option. Dual mode exhausts have typically been seen on Corvettes and Camaros.

The bed mounted spare tire, which various media coverage has talked about, was not listed as an option.

Media reports and claim ZR2s some with 31-in. Goodyear Duratrac tires but the order guide lists the tires as 265/65R17 all-season tires.

Regardless of exterior color choice there is only one interior color...black. Not good if you don't like hot seats in the summer.

 

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   Fast lane trucks has a good vid about the new ZR2 on youtube....i think its awesome...front and rear factory lockers, and the front bumper is cut away at the tires..Has some cutesy electronic pitch and roll thing on the dash thats not really useful...   But cool truck..  Im not sure if its $46,000 cool tho....?

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23 hours ago, SLSZR2 said:

   Fast lane trucks has a good vid about the new ZR2 on youtube....i think its awesome...front and rear factory lockers, and the front bumper is cut away at the tires..Has some cutesy electronic pitch and roll thing on the dash thats not really useful...   But cool truck..  Im not sure if its $46,000 cool tho....?

I get it that some folks are going to balk at the base price of 46 large but, history seems to indicate that's a price that is not far out of line. In 1999, when I ordered my Blazer ZR2, it came in at 26,600 bucks . The only option I ordered was the LS package (equip. grp. 1SC). If you go on-line, and put that number into the Feds' "inflation calculator" you come up with my Blazer costing 39,200 in 2017 dollars. Back in those times, ZR2 was only available on 2-dr utilities and ext. cab pick-ups. I don't know what the pick-up sold for back then, but it couldn't have been much more or less than did the utility.

The "new" ZR2 has a more standard equipment than did the original ZR2–for example, it comes standard with full trailering equipment which was not even offered back in the old days and its interior features include as standard a lot of stuff that was optional back ZR2 was offered as a package on S/T trucks and utilities.  The Colorado ZR2, also, has a lot more technology in it, along with a lot more government-mandated features which has driven up the cost of not only Colorado pick-ups but all vehicles people buy.

So...I don't think the price is all that out of line and you can bet, going forward, once the "early adopters" buy their trucks and sales slow, prices will get discounted. 

That said, I would have been happier with the idea of buying a new ZR2, if GM had not loaded it up with standard stuff like the trailering package and a lot of premium interior appointments.

Finally, on this price thing...I remember back in the late-90s when the original ZR2 package came out, the price of trucks ordered with it was criticized by some. Others made the point that there was no way you could duplicate the package with aftermarket off-road modifications for the price GM sold ZR2. I suspect that, as time goes on, the same situation will prove to be true with the ZR2 version of the Colorado.

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I've moved this post to the new Colorado ZR2 sub-forum. Make yourselves at home guys, and post up some articles or pictures in a new thread if you come across anything that's interesting!

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Pretty f'ing impressive those guys from Hall Racing winning the class. 

Story goes that the truck was stock except for a full roll cage, off-road lighting, a Chevy Performance aftermarket exhaust and some other Chevrolet Performance pieces which are under development.

 

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I knew about the 6-speed and 8-speed options, but I'm a little disappointed to see how strong they are rated.

Our current trucks use a 4L60e. This is a designation: 4 forward gears, Longitudinal engine (north/south, rather than sideways), 6000 weight rating, Electronically controlled.

 

On 6/7/2017 at 1:36 AM, Hib Halverson said:

The gas engine gets the 8-speed 8L45 automatic but the 2.8L diesel gets the 6L50 six-speed automatic.

So the new transmissions are weaker than the 4L60e?!

 

Steve

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Ordered an '18 ZR2 yesterday.

It's going to have the 3.6L gas engine and the 8L45 automatic. 

When I first heard about the Colorado ZR2, I was thinking the 2.8L diesel/six-speed combination was the way to go, but then, after looking at the set-up Hall Racing uses and thinking about the powertrain choices a little more, I decided on the 3.6 because 1) while the 2.8 diesel has a ton of low end torque, which would be good for rock crawling and so forth, road tests indicate its not a very good engine for highway use or fast desert driving because it lacks horsepower, 2) the diesel is more expensive and 3) I'm not going to drive the Colorado enough to need the extra fuel economy–I'd have to drive the truck a long time to recovered the cost of the diesel with the fuel savings.

Also, originally, I was looking at the extended cab/long box, but decided to order a crewcab/short box because that will allow my wife to sell/trade her 4-door car and buy a Camaro, which she wants–all in the interests of domestic tranquility.

The color I ordered is Summit White. Didn't order many options because ZR2s are basically loaded already. I ordered the "GearOn Divider Package" PDW, "Cargo Area Lights" (S0Y) and the Cat-Back Exhaust (WBC). There's other stuff I initially considered...the sport bar, the nav system, the Bose speaker system, but, in the interest of keeping the cost down, I passed. The sport bar is awful expensive plus I don't see them on Hall's racetrucks. GM nav systems suck, IMO. I can buy a case of Garmins at Costco for what the stock Nav systems and a couple of the yearly upgrades will cost. My recent experience with GM vehicles is sound systems have become so good that, unless you are a serious car audio finatic, base level sound systems work fine.

ZR2s are in demand, that's for sure. My dealer, Bunnin Chevrolet in Santa Barbara CA told me it won't be delivered until late January or early February–at least they gave me the straight story. The guy I talk to there, Juan Miller, does all the verhicle ordering and is great to work with. This is the third GM vehicle I've ordered though him. 

I'm either going to sell my 1999 Blazer ZR2 or trade it in. I bought it new in 1999 and it's been a great truck but it's time to get into some newer, offroad technology. The one feature I wish the Colorado ZR2 had was a short wheelbase, straight cab/short box version, but I admit, something like that wouldn't sell well. My Blazer ZR2 has a really short WB which I've found valuable in a few offroad situations, but...I guess I can have everything.

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On 9/15/2017 at 5:34 AM, booth9c1ss said:

I knew about the 6-speed and 8-speed options, but I'm a little disappointed to see how strong they are rated.

Our current trucks use a 4L60e. This is a designation: 4 forward gears, Longitudinal engine (north/south, rather than sideways), 6000 weight rating, Electronically controlled.

 

So the new transmissions are weaker than the 4L60e?!

 

Steve

GM's transmission numbering system...

first digit: number of forward speeds

second digit: type of mounting, "L" for longitudinal or "T" for transverse

third and fourth digits: signifies the transmission series, which roughly corresponds to the transmission's input torque rating. Many people believe those two numbers relate to the vehicle's gross vehicle weight, but that's not correct.

So, the 8L45 is an eight-speed automatic, for use with rear drive or four/all wheel drive applications where the trans is mounted longitudinally and is a series 45 transmission.

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congrats!!  I'll still order the diesel because I just want one and from my reviews, they shift a whole lot better than the gas combos.  I've read that the gas engine and 8-speed will have some hesitations searching for gears in some situations.  Plus, i never do high speed desert stuff (no deserts around here) and I just love diesel.  Once the new tunes come out to compromise power/driveability/economy, things will really be nice.

That's great advice on the nav system and speakers.  I was never impressed with my dad's 06 silveration with the Bose in it, didn't sound special whatsoever.  My '01 Jetta with factory component speakers sounds much better.  Looks like I'll just save the cash and upgrade on my own if I want build in nav (really doubt that!) or better speakers one day.

One other thing, if you don't mind sharing, what was your out-the-door price?

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Nav can be added later, by going from the IO5 to the IO6 module. It's nice to have, but also have Android Auto with Waze built in. 

I think resale would be higher with the 2.8, but it's too early to really tell. I got it for the long distance between fillups, high torque for towing and plowing and the better mileage than my old Highrider. Titan tanks just released a 36 gallon tank for longbeds, too, for about 800 bones. That's seriously tempting. 

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I own another vehicle with the 8L90 version of the eight speed and I agree that the trans sometimes seems to be "searching" for gears, but I think that's more because the ratios of the 8 gears are so close. I find it a minor annoyance. Besides off-road, I, also, will drive the truck a lot on road, especially up to Nevada and back from SoCal and, for thatk I need to be able to run 80-mph or so on I-15. Everything I've read about the Duramax 2.8 says it runs out of steam in duty cycles like that. As for resale, if you mean resale in 3-5-yrs, then, yeah, the 2.8 diesel is a good choice. I seldom worry much about resale because in most cases, I keep my cars and trucks a long time. I've owned my '99 Blazer ZR2 since new and, at this point,  it's not worth much. If I kept my Colorado ZR2 for 10 or 15 years, it wouldn't be worth much by then, either.

That said, if you're going to go rock crawling or any other offroad activity that requires tons of low-end torque in low range, by all means, the diesel is the way to go.

 

As for the out-the-door price-not including tax and license, it was about 41 large. I got a great price because we get a GM employee discount. My Wife works at a GM dealer. Also, I may get some more off that if I decide to trade-in my Blazer.

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On ‎11‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 3:00 PM, Hib Halverson said:

Ordered an '18 ZR2 yesterday.

ZR2s are in demand, that's for sure. My dealer, Bunnin Chevrolet in Santa Barbara CA told me it won't be delivered until late January or early February–at least they gave me the straight story. The guy I talk to there, Juan Miller, does all the verhicle ordering and is great to work with. .

How come you are not going back to Tom Henry? :D

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17 hours ago, Thunderbear said:

Nav can be added later, by going from the IO5 to the IO6 module. It's nice to have, but also have Android Auto with Waze built in. 

I think resale would be higher with the 2.8, but it's too early to really tell. I got it for the long distance between fillups, high torque for towing and plowing and the better mileage than my old Highrider. Titan tanks just released a 36 gallon tank for longbeds, too, for about 800 bones. That's seriously tempting. 

Those titan tanks are sweet.  But it won't fit a short bed crew cab will it?

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No, the tanks are only avaliable for the long beds at the moment.

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Hey yall long time no been on! Holy moly!  Well still have my GMZ Highrider!!! Plus got another GMZ highrider in blue.  Man will need to post but yet good news is my dad

JUST BOUGHTA NEW ZR2 COLORADO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F YA!!!!!!!!!!  Now three zr2s In the family me owning two gmz sonomas plus paw owing a new 2018 zr2 yes victory after all these years!!!!!!!!!!!

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I will totally post pics tomorrow of the his ZR2.  Its white with the 2.8l Dsl package.  Crew cab. 

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Welcome back, it's been a couple of years since you posted!

You'll love the new ZR2, it's a little bit of an improvement over your Highrider! :)

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