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[tlrbucnaasty]

So I got another personal opinion question. Sorry if you guys are getting tired of me asking your opinions, but I
prefer to get opinions before I commit to something.

The Story:
So I was walking out behind my shop the other day and I happened to walk by this truck thats been there for several months
with a blown motor and fubared transmission. As I walked by it I happened to think, "I wonder what kinda rear end is in that",
well I crawled under it and counted the cover bolts and lo and behold it was a 14 bolt full-float. I said well next time the owner
is in the shop ill ask him if he wants to sell it, but I was pretty sure he would want about $1000 for the whole truck. Well just so
happens he comes in the shop today and I knda hint around to if he was wanting to sell the whole truck and he asks what I thought
it was worth and I tell him the only use I got for it is for scrap and the rear axle. Well we bullshit back and forth a minute or so
and he asks if $400 sounds like too much for the whole truck axle and all. I said yeah that sounds fair and told him Id let him
know somrhing in a week or two, but I was definately interested in it.

So what would you guys do pay the $400 for the whole truck and strip it of all sellable/useable parts, keep the axle for my truck,
and sell the rest as scrap, or let this one go by? Keep in mind I figure I can sell the rest of the truck for about $300 just in scrap,
so basically Im looking at paying about $100 for a 14 bolt FF. Also how desireable of a 14 bolt is this ? Its out of a crew cab 2500
2wd SRW could be a 3500 though, what would be the WMS of it, I assume the same as most SRW 14 bolts.

[ZR2NC]

pay the $400 for the whole truck and strip it of all sellable/useable parts, keep the axle for my truck,
and sell the rest as scrap.

What i would do.

[CrashKnott]

14-bolt's are a dime a dozen. One could be had for $125-$175 all day without the issues of having to off-load a truck. They are a desirable axle as long as you have big enough tires (I ran a 14-bolt on 36's and I drug that axle over every frickin obstacle while it was under there).

That being said, I've got my 2nd parts-truck in the driveway still. Anything else worthwhile on the truck? What engine, what trans, 2wd or 4wd? Clean title? Rust free cab and body?

Scrap isn't pulling what it used to, so you're dreaming a bit if you think you're getting $300 in scrap for that thing minus the rear

[tlrbucnaasty]

pay the $400 for the whole truck and strip it of all sellable/useable parts, keep the axle for my truck,
and sell the rest as scrap.

What i would do.

Thanks dude

14-bolt's are a dime a dozen. One could be had for $125-$175 all day without the issues of having to off-load a truck. They are a desirable axle as long as you have big enough tires (I ran a 14-bolt on 36's and I drug that axle over every frickin obstacle while it was under there).

That being said, I've got my 2nd parts-truck in the driveway still. Anything else worthwhile on the truck? What engine, what trans, 2wd or 4wd? Clean title? Rust free cab and body?

Scrap isn't pulling what it used to, so you're dreaming a bit if you think you're getting $300 in scrap for that thing minus the rear

Any 1 ton axle is rare at best around here, the only other 14 bolt Iv tracked down around here they wanted $600+, that being said
I have seen a bunch in other places that were going for ~$100. Im not worried about dragging the axle, I dont do rock crawling, mainly
because theres no rocks around here lol. The one organized salvage yard around here wants about $1200 for a 1/2 ton axle, its kinda
crazy around here.

The body is in excellent shape and some of the interior is in decent shape, but motor and trans. are shot. It does have a clean title on it.


Its actually about 6-8 cents/lb where we take it and I figured the truck at about 5000 lbs., but I could be off on that. The real advantage
to selling it for scrap is that we've already got 2 or 3 other vehicles that we are gonna load up for scrap and haul off (unclaimed vehicles).
I think Iv worked out a deal with my dad and hes gonna get the truck and im going to get everything I can use off of it and were gonna
split up the cost, so hopefully Iv already got rid of the truck, but I may see if I can sell it for the body and interior, I havent decided yet.

My basic problem is that there are no 1 ton axles around here, so thats the main reason Im willing to take the task of trying to get rid of
the truck for the axle.

Edited by tlrbucnaasty, 14 January 2010 - 09:50 PM.

[CrashKnott]

I call BS on no bigger axles being available. Either you're looking in the wrong places, or just not hard enough or in a broad enough range. There's a few military bases in AL and you can pick up a CUCV truck or just axles from CUCV's at auctions HERE. I drove to TN (5 hrs 1-way) for my first parts-truck...sometimes you jsut gotta expand your thinking.

Whatever the case, sounds like you may still have a deal. Check out the rocker panels, the bottom of the door skins, and the driver's floor for corrosion. If all of those places are free of rust, and I mean 100% free, then you'll be able to sell that cab, and that's all the better since it's got a title.

Sometimes 1/2 ton stuff does cost that much, depends on the year and the demand. Say, a ZR2 axle with disk brakes and a factory limited slip and more desirable gearing would pull stupid amounts of money from a scrap-yard.

Interior sorta doesn't matter much, but it makes for selling the cab easier.

What motor? What happened to it? What trans? Diagnosis?

Good luck with it and update here what you end up doing and how it turns out.

[cknaffle]

Keep in mind too, that if you buy an old 14B for $100 and add a disk brake kit for about $300, now you've got $400 into it. IIRC, there are newer 14B axles with factory discs and e-brake. Might consider that too.

Definitely get on the forums and look. That's where most of the deals are. Between forums, craigslist, and word of mouth, you'll fine one. Calling junkyards rarely gets you a good deal on anything, as you're apparently finding out!

I've bought a complete truck for the axles twice now. On both of them, after I sold the engine, trans, transfer case, misc. shit, and then scrapped what was left over, the axles were pretty much free if you don't count the time you have into it. And up here, 30 year old body parts are worth nothing because they are all rotten.





This is NOT me.

[tlrbucnaasty]

I call BS on no bigger axles being available. Either you're looking in the wrong places, or just not hard enough or in a broad enough range. There's a few military bases in AL and you can pick up a CUCV truck or just axles from CUCV's at auctions HERE. I drove to TN (5 hrs 1-way) for my first parts-truck...sometimes you jsut gotta expand your thinking.

Whatever the case, sounds like you may still have a deal. Check out the rocker panels, the bottom of the door skins, and the driver's floor for corrosion. If all of those places are free of rust, and I mean 100% free, then you'll be able to sell that cab, and that's all the better since it's got a title.

Sometimes 1/2 ton stuff does cost that much, depends on the year and the demand. Say, a ZR2 axle with disk brakes and a factory limited slip and more desirable gearing would pull stupid amounts of money from a scrap-yard.

Interior sorta doesn't matter much, but it makes for selling the cab easier.

What motor? What happened to it? What trans? Diagnosis?

Good luck with it and update here what you end up doing and how it turns out.

Well the reason there arent hardly any 1 ton axles around here are because the ones that were old enough to be in junkyards all got sold for scrap last year when it was so high. Three of the junkyards that were close to my house all had between 50-100 vehicles then and now
2 of them dont have a single vehicle and the third has about 3 new ones that are to new to scrap without a title. Thats just what happened
at all the junkyards I guess. Im not saying theres none around here they're just very rare. I didnt know about the government auction
thing though. I drove about 6.5 hrs (both ways) to get my 3/4 ton front the other day.

Im not sure on the motor its been so long since I looked at it, but Im fairly sure its a gas burner. The trans Im not sure in either, but there
the reason he gave up on it, because it would cost more to fix the motor and trans. All the body panels are clean on it and rust free as far
as I know, its pretty unusual to see one around here with rust, especially one that is as new as this one.

Thanks dude Im not sure what Ill do yet.

Keep in mind too, that if you buy an old 14B for $100 and add a disk brake kit for about $300, now you've got $400 into it. IIRC, there are newer 14B axles with factory discs and e-brake. Might consider that too.

Definitely get on the forums and look. That's where most of the deals are. Between forums, craigslist, and word of mouth, you'll fine one. Calling junkyards rarely gets you a good deal on anything, as you're apparently finding out!

I've bought a complete truck for the axles twice now. On both of them, after I sold the engine, trans, transfer case, misc. shit, and then scrapped what was left over, the axles were pretty much free if you don't count the time you have into it. And up here, 30 year old body parts are worth nothing because they are all rotten.

Ill probably just run the drums for awhile because best I remember they were replaced before it died, besides my trucks got drum brakes
on it already lol. Yeah the newer (~99+) ones have stock disc brake 14 bolts, they're are quite a few of them around here but unfortunately
they're still driving them. Thats the one 14 bolt I manged to find, the guy said it would be ~$600+. It would be nice to have disc brakes
and Ill probably put some on it one day,but I could get by without them.

I already stay on Pirate, Criagslist, and ask everybody that has more than one truck lol. The thing with that junkyard I talked about is
on stuff like door panels, hoods, tailgates, interior stuff, etc. they're cheap as hell, but on motors, trans., transfer case, and axles they
kill you, they want about $500 for a 20yr old transfer case and you have to leave you old one with them.

The only thing about this one is im not sure I can sell the entire cab, because its a crew cab and there arent many of those in this area,
but I could get my money back for the axle, Im nearly positive on that.

Edited by tlrbucnaasty, 15 January 2010 - 10:47 AM.

[tlrbucnaasty]

Well Im neck deep in it now lol still havent quite decided what Im going to do about the 14 bolt, but I got a time to decide.

Pretty piss-poor when you have your own mechanics shop and you have to work on your own stuff in the dirt huh?
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(the tractor and feed mill are some of our other personal projects; tractor needs an engine rebuild)

Please no bashing for whats holding up the front, I dont really like it, but there plenty strong 10"x10" lumber lol

Well anyway, this time Im looking for some advice from personal experience. Im going to do away with the slip yoke and
rebuild the transfer case (which has had a loose chain for quite a while), so what companys have yall dealt with, had a good
experience with, and would reccomend that offer a slip yoke eliminator kit, that still utilzes the stock electric VSS for a 241C?
Im mostly looking for feedback on good companies to work with.

p.s. all advice/opinions thus far are greatly appreciated.

Edited by tlrbucnaasty, 23 January 2010 - 07:08 PM.

[tlrbucnaasty]

Well anyway, this time Im looking for some advice from personal experience. Im going to do away with the slip yoke and
rebuild the transfer case (which has had a loose chain for quite a while), so what companys have yall dealt with, had a good
experience with, and would reccomend that offer a slip yoke eliminator kit, that still utilzes the stock electric VSS for a 241C?
Im mostly looking for feedback on good companies to work with.

p.s. all advice/opinions thus far are greatly appreciated.

Bump? Nobody has a company/companies that they had a good experience dealing with? Iv seen JB Convesions advertised in
magazines before, but I dont know anyone thats dealt with them. None of the other companies that Iv found are any Iv ever
heard of before.

[ZR2NC]

clicky

[tlrbucnaasty]

clicky

^ They were one of the companies I found that I had never heard of. Have you ever bought anything from them?

[cknaffle]

JB Conversions is good

[tlrbucnaasty]

JB Conversions is good

Cool thanks dude exaclty what im looking for. I just dont like doing business over the internet without getting some kind
of feedback on the company first, I dont know maybe Im over-cautious sometimes.

[ZR2NC]

Have you ever bought anything from them?

I haven't got anything from them yet since i've been short on cash, but i've heard good about them and I know they are a vendor on CK5.

[tlrbucnaasty]

I haven't got anything from them yet since i've been short on cash, but i've heard good about them and I know they are a vendor on CK5.

Cool Thanks Dude.

[Kanga19]

JB Conversions is good

X2

[tlrbucnaasty]

Well I finally had time to make a little progress today:
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All I lack before I can put weight on it and check the axle center and shackle angle is putting the u-bolts on, but Rough Country's
u-bolts arent threaded far enough down for the axle, so Ill have to wait until I can fix that little problem. Doesnt look like it will be
in the next couple of days either my boss called me tonight and said they had put a big (scares me about what he means by big)
building and the guy looked at it and decided it was 2 ft too tall, so apparently I have to hack 2 foot off of each column and re-weld
them, FML, but at least it pays lol. I was hoping to be started on SYE'ing the transfer case by now (hence why I asked for references),
but I been so busy lately I havent had time to work on it, looks like Im running way behind.

Edited by tlrbucnaasty, 28 March 2010 - 09:47 PM.

[tlrbucnaasty]

Well I got to let the weight down on the axle today and it didnt turn out as good as I had hoped. My 2.5" lift springs turned out to be
about 0.5" lift springs and ended up negatively arched, so now I got to at least get a long AAL and probably a short one to. Also my
shackle angle looks kinda steep, dont know if I'll let it go or try and notch the holes in my shackle hanger bracket and slide it forward
some to lessen the shackle angle. Any suggestions on what you'd do ?

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[Zr2x350]

This is NOT me.

This looks like some shit on a do not do this stupid shit safety video.

[tlrbucnaasty]

This looks like some shit on a do not do this stupid shit safety video.

X2 lol, believe it or not, Iv seen worse though. I once saw a truck sitting on rims (the frame was sitting on rims) that were standing up; not laying down.

Edited by tlrbucnaasty, 18 April 2010 - 11:17 AM.